LEXI2002
Basic Member
Posts:70
 |
| 02-19-2012 10:49 AM |
|
WORKING MORE AND MORE ON OPS WITH MUCH BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF IT BUT CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, IN THE DVD'S JIM WAS TAKING ABOUT OVERHAND THROW OF THE HAND IN THE DOWNSWING WHICH FOR YEARS GOT ME ON MORE OVER THE TOP SWING SO I WOULD EITHER PULL IT OR PUSH IT. I WATCHED A LOT OF DRILLS FROM THE MATIRX SECTION OF THE SITE AND WHEN YOU CORRECTLY EXECUTE DOWNSWING YOU SHOULD BE IN THE POSITION OF UNDERHAND THROW VERY MUCH LIKE A BOWLER OR SOFT BALL THROWER. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THAT POSITION IT IS EASIER TO GET THE DOWNSWING CORRECTLY. AM I CORRECT IN THIS THINKING?????
|
|
|
|
|
rob_m
New Member
Posts:22
|
| 02-19-2012 01:08 PM |
|
My feels are the left arm rolls down the chest to get the club face square to the path and the hands to the delivery position and then a right are throw up the plane. The right arm throw does feel like an underhanded push to me. I believe Jim or one of the other instructors has previously referred to the right hand throw as a bowling feel. The key is the first move down, a.k.a the twist, the left arm roll, or the overhand throw. If I get this move correct, then the feel for the right arm throw is similar to what you described. These feels could also be interpreted as playing from closed to open. |
|
|
|
|
LEXI2002
Basic Member
Posts:70
|
| 02-19-2012 02:18 PM |
|
Thats what im feeling when in correct impact position. My fist move from the top is to move my body to the left with my left arm glued to the chest as im twisting my arms which make me feel like i am miles in front of the ball and my hands are waaaay behind me and from there i am throwing my my right hand up the plane. The key for me is to get my left arm as deep behind me as possible i almost feel like i want to reach to my right shoulder with my left hand. I use a glove under my left arm to get the connection and better sync with my body. if i dont get my arms deep enough in teh back swing i just fight a pull thin or fat with my irons and slice with the driver my arms are flying of my body and i am dead at that point. So my miss with the driver is a slice or face which i hate and thin or fat with irons. See i cant think of the right arm in the swing left arm deep behind me is more conducive feeling for me otherwise i i tend not to turn my body or should i say chest during the back swing. But overall the throw with the right hand definitely feels more underhand throw and overhand throw |
|
|
|
|
LEXI2002
Basic Member
Posts:70
|
| 02-19-2012 02:40 PM |
|
Also I might try to bow my wrist at the top of the swing since i do have a tendency to cup it. I gave a try couple of times and definitely shortens my back swing and already puts me in the good throwing position from the top. I will work on that more hopefully with good results. Even with strong grip i tend to cup it which makes me manipulate my hands/arms more then i would like to |
|
|
|
|
daryl
Basic Member
Posts:82
|
| 02-22-2012 10:42 AM |
|
definitely overhand for me - this has been absolutely key for me - drills and feels are putting on the trash can lid feel and also drill of overhand throw of golf ball into the ground a few feet ahead - underhand for me lead to too high shots and big cut when i really went after it with the driver - also very much overhand for the irons - gives a more downward blow - i am right handed and i have cupped left wrist at top of backswing - since really getting the overhand throw of right forearm down my one plane swing has really delivered, rgds, ddb |
|
|
|
|
ChipB
New Member
Posts:8
|
| 03-05-2012 10:21 PM |
|
It is def a feeling of an underhand throw….You never want to feel the right hand cross the left prior to impact. The right hand needs to work under the left. Hogan made this feeling quite clear in Five lessons. |
|
|
|
|
lewiscains
Advanced Member
Posts:254
|
| 03-06-2012 01:14 AM |
|
The overall aim is to get that clubhead back out in front of you on the outer circle. An 'underhand throw' or 'right hand working under the left' would, I fear produce the opposite. If you struggle with the issue of shallow strikes and pushes, hooks etc then it may be a simpler thought for you guys to feel you try and swing 'out to in'. This would get the club out in front of you again. The problem with this move comes when the right elbow gets away from you in the downswing. I have found that the simplest way for the one plane swing to be executed is to get those arms (particularly the right elbow) as far behind you as possible on your backswing and then try to swing out to in on the downswing but keeping the right elbow back.
I think confusion and perhaps errors come from breaking down the downswing into unworkable components in real time ie 'put the lid on the trash can', 'turn the body', 'swing left through impact'. Remember you are trying to get the club into a better position for an improved impact. This is one plane medicine, I would obviously never give this advice to either a 2 planer or a chop slicer but if you are a shallow one-planer - keep it basic. Try and take some divots that point left - if you start wiping and slicing, chances are that either you didn't get your arms far enough behind you on your backswing or your right elbow needs to be closer to you into impact during the downswing.
IT IS THAT SIMPLE :-)
Good luck folks!! Lew |
|
|
|
|
Keywester
Basic Member
Posts:58
|
| 03-07-2012 07:31 PM |
|
If you work on keeping your weight on your heels (or your butt back) during the down swing and getting the handle down low and very close to your body, as in all the way down to the original starting shaft plane (inner circle), you will realize that the clubhead needs to be thrown outward to the ball. The throw of the clubhead will be either overhand or at least 3/4 (sidearm) as Hogan described in 5 lessons. The only way to throw the head out underhand and make ball contact is by moving your weight toward the target line (or ball) with a high handle (above the original starting shaft plane) at impact leading to a shot to the right or a timed flip. The high handle by definition is not on the inner circle. Hogan's inner circle (low), extremely bowed and supinated left wrist is associated with an overhand throw and ulnar deviated position of the right wrist and hand. This right arm clubhead throw is not over the top because by the time Hogan threw the clubhead out, the handle was already quite low and his weight back toward his heels so the throw of the clubhead is on plane. |
|
|
|
|
EDO
New Member
Posts:43
|
| 03-07-2012 07:48 PM |
|
Keywester,
Can you explain 3/4 sidearm how you feel it. Is that the feeling for skipping rocks? |
|
|
|
|
Keywester
Basic Member
Posts:58
|
| 03-08-2012 07:47 AM |
|
At least for me, if I start the throw of the clubhead outward at the very beginning of my downswing (at or near the top of my back swing) the feel is more overhand and over the top. If I start down from the top and get the shaft lower (further into the downswing) prior to starting the throw of the clubhead, it feels less overhand and more sidearm to me. In my analysis of Hogan's swing, I think he often threw the clubhead outward after he had lowered the shaft somewhat from the top of his backswing. The difference in timing I suspect is really fractions of a second and I suspect either works. In either case the club face is squared to the arc early and not in the impact area. I never feel underhand because I am trying to get the right hand on top of the left during the downswing. |
|
|
|
|